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Thursday, 13 November 2008
Colonel Husnu, Yildirim, Page 129
Topic: Tk - Bks - Yildirim

Another entry from the book written by Lieutenant Colonel Hüseyin Hüsnü Emir, called Yildirim. Every day, one page of the book will be posted. This is Page 129.



Colonel Hüsnü, Yildirim, Page 129.

[Click on page for a larger print version.]

 

This chapter deals with Hüsnü observations of the Turkish response to Beersheba on other parts of the battlefield.

 

Further Reading:

List of all Yildirim pages

 


Citation: Colonel Hüsnü, Yildirim, Page 129

Posted by Project Leader at 4:51 PM EAST
Updated: Thursday, 13 November 2008 4:59 PM EAST
Aboriginal Light Horsemen, Part 11, Students outline
Topic: AAB-Education Centre

Education Centre

The Australian Light Horse Studies Centre in conjunction with the various Education authorities in Australia, has embarked upon producing a program of instruction targeted initially towards the Later Adolescence band of scholars, characteristically those who are studying in Year 9 and 10 within Australia. Each lesson will be a self contained module. Some will be more difficult than others and graded accordingly.

 

Lesson 11 Aboriginal Light Horsemen

 

3603 Pte William Reginald Rawlings, MM, killed in action on 9 August 1918, at Vauvillers, France.

[From: AWM P01695.001]

 

Overview

Indigenous Australians have always been part of the Australian Story from the inception of European colonisation. This was recognised until Federation in 1901 when Aboriginals were virtually stripped of their citizenship by the Constitution, a situation that remained till 1967. Despite that, Aboriginals played a minor but significant role in the subsequent life of the nation. During the Great War, despite prejudice, many Aboriginal men enlisted in the AIF. They faced the same dangers as everyone else, won medals for bravery and some paid the ultimate price with their lives. In this lesson students explore the history of Aboriginal participation in the Australian Light Horse during the Great War; identify issues of specific Aboriginal concerns; research and produce a military biography; develop conclusions based upon the available information; and deliver findings of the study.

 

Sensitivity

When dealing with the subject of Aboriginal servicemen from the Great War, it is important to be aware that in some Aboriginal communities, hearing or seeing names or seeing images of deceased persons might cause sadness or distress, particularly to the relatives of these people. Some Aboriginal cultures may also have prohibitions on who may see certain records based on the age, or sacred or sensitive status of information in them, as it relates to individuals of any particular Aboriginal group. If you feel that your inherited culture falls within the categories mentioned in this section and you feel that it would be inappropriate for you to participate in this learning session, your teacher already understands this and will allow you to undertake an alternative activity.

 

Focus questions

  • What do we mean by the term “race”?
  • What is an Aboriginal?
  • Why is the understanding of Aboriginal history in Australia important?

 

Introduction

In considering the idea of “race” let us take a few minutes to think about the idea of a nation and the community.

  • What sort of groups form in the community?
  • In the past, when the Great War broke out, why were Aboriginals excluded from Australian society?

The Light Horse

Let us look at the way Aboriginal Light Horsemen were treated during the Great War

Access the file of Pte Tom Cooper

Pte Tom Cooper

Read the Attestation Paper, page 3. What do you think the phrase “Not of substantially European descent” really means? Would you like that to happen to you?

Access the file of 2919 Pte Alfred John Henry Lovett.

2919 Pte Alfred John Henry Lovett 

Was Alfred John Henry Lovett treated more fairly than Pte Tom Cooper? Why do you think this is so?

One thing to notice that once accepted as a soldier in the AIF, there was no discrimination in relation to treatment and pay.

From the Australian War Memorial Encyclopaedia:

Indigenous Australian servicemen

Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders have fought for Australia, from the Boer War onwards.

Change in attitudes

Generally, Aborigines have served in ordinary units with the same conditions of service as other members. Many experienced equal treatment for the first time in their lives in the army or other services. However, upon return to civilian life, many also found they were treated with the same prejudice and discrimination as before.

First World War

Over 400 Indigenous Australians fought in the First World War. They came from a section of society with few rights, low wages, and poor living conditions. Most Aborigines could not vote and none were counted in the census. But once in the AIF, they were treated as equals. They were paid the same as other soldiers and generally accepted without prejudice.

Enlistment and Service First World War

When war broke out in 1914, many Aborigines who tried to enlist were rejected on the grounds of race; others slipped through the net. By October 1917, when recruits were harder to find and one conscription referendum had already been lost, restrictions were cautiously eased. A new Military Order stated: "Half-castes may be enlisted in the Australian Imperial Force provided that the examining Medical Officers are satisfied that one of the parents is of European origin."

This was as far as Australia – officially – would go.

Why did they fight?

Loyalty and patriotism may have encouraged Aborigines to enlist. Some saw it as a chance to prove themselves the equal of Europeans or to push for better treatment after the war.

For many Australians in 1914 the offer of 6 shillings a day for a trip overseas was simply too good to miss.

Too dark

Aborigines in the First World War served on equal terms but after the war, in areas such as education, employment, and civil liberties, Aboriginal ex-servicemen and women found that discrimination remained or, indeed, had worsened during the war period.

See:

Indigenous Australian servicemen

 

Self paced learning activity

Choose a name from this list or perhaps your teacher will allocate a name per person. This section works best if everyone has a different Aboriginal light horseman’s service file. There are 26 names in this list.

2422 Pte William Bert Brown, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2424 Pte Edward Collins, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2423 Pte Frederick Arthur Burnett, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2459 Pte Fred Collins, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2425 Pte Jack Costello, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2426 Pte Harry Doyle, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2428 Pte Frank Fisher, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2427 Pte Joe Fitzroy, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2462 Pte Rupert Franklin Gore Gallaway, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2429 Pte John Geary, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2431 Pte Jack Kearns, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2432 Pte John McKenzie Laurie, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2433 Pte James Lingwoodock, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2434 Pte Leonard Lynch, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2438 Pte James McBride, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2437 Pte David Molloy, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2435 Pte Frank Morris, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2453 Pte Martin Mulrooney, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2436 Pte Harry Murray, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2439 Pte William Nicholld, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2440 Pte Jack Oliffe, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2443 Pte Charlie Parkes, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2441 Pte Jack Pollard, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2445 Pte Edward Smith, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2447 Pte Joe White, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

2448 Pte Leslie Thomas Wogas, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

Each file will have 5 pages. Underneath every page is a list of information to extract from the file.

The front cover of the Attestation Paper of Persons Enlisted for Service Abroad provides the reader with the following information:

  • Service Number,
  • Surname,
  • Given Names,
  • Age,
  • Employment,
  • Married or Single,
  • Next of Kin Relationship,
  • Next of Kin Name and Address,
  • Enlistment Date.

The third page of the Attestation Paper of Persons Enlisted for Service Abroad provides the reader with the following information:

  • Height,
  • Weight,
  • Chest Measurement
  • Complexion,
  • Eyes,
  • Hair,
  • Religion

Try to convert the height and chest measurement into metres. Remember: 1 foot = 0.305 metres; and, 1 inch = 0.0245 metres.

Try to convert weight into kilograms. Remember: 1 stone = 14 pounds or 6.35 kilograms; and, 1 pound = 0.454 kilograms.

The next two pages are from the B103, the Casualty Form - Active Service which is a summary of the service performed by the serviceman in the Australian Imperial Force, AIF. To help you understand some of the abbreviations used on this form, there is a list of common terms

To understand the terms employed in the B103, the Casualty Form - Active Service, an index is available here:

Index to Common B103 Terms

The front of the B103, the Casualty Form - Active Service provides the reader with the following information:

Regiment

  • Rank on Enlistment,
  • Terms of Enlistment,
  • Embarkation Date,
  • Embarkation Port,
  • Embarkation Ship,
  • Date Taken on Strength with the 11th LHR.

The back of the B103, the Casualty Form - Active Service you may find a further chronology of the serviceman. However, you will only need to find the following information:

  • Did the serviceman Return to Australia; and,
  • The date this occurred.

The term “Returned to Australia” is the date the serviceman departed from the overseas placement, and specifically in the case of the Aboriginal light horsemen, it means the date they left Egypt. The arrival in Australia is a different date usually about a month later.

Page 1 of the Transferred to Australian Imperial Force D provides the reader with the following information:

  • The last rank held in the AIF,
  • The date of Discharge,
  • The place where Discharged,
  • The eligible medals awarded to the serviceman.
At the end of the war men who enlisted and served prior to the end of 1915 were awarded the Medal Trio of the 1914/15 Star, British War Medal and the Victory Medal. They were commonly known at the time as Pip, Squeak and Wilfred. Here is some information about these medals:

Pip, Squeak and Wilfred - the Trio Medals 

The men in this example only were awarded generally the British War Medal and the Victory Medal because they enlisted after the end of 1915. In one case, the Victory Medal was not awarded because this medal required the soldier to have been taken on strength in an active service unit. Since this man was sick and spent his time in Egypt going from one hospital to another until repatriated back to Australia, he was ineligible for the Victory Medal.

When you have extracted all the information, your teacher will ask you to present it to the class. As all the information is collected and collated, you will see some very interesting things happen. You will note items like the most common occupation at the time of enlistment or when most men were discharged from the AIF. Your teacher will help you to understand this information.

Here are some questions you might like to think about.

  • What motivated these men to enlist?
  • Were the men treated the same as the non-indigenous Light Horse?
  • What did they feel towards the man they were researching in terms of his experience?
  • Did experiences vary? How? Why?
  • What was it like to be an Aboriginal Light Horseman?

Aboriginal members of the 11th LHR were regularly employed as trackers. Here is one story about two men employed as trackers during the Egyptian Rebellion of 1919. This comes from Hammond, EW, History of the 11th Light Horse Regiment, Fourth Light Horse Brigade, Australian Imperial Forces, Singapore, 1984, p. 142:

A soldier of the 3rd Gurka Regiment. was murdered by natives while on patrol, and the miscreants were tracked by Corporal Allen and Driver Smith to a village near Abu Hammad on the Cairo-Port Said railway. The Omda (head man of the village) renounced all responsibility in the matter. and, in fact, became defiant and even truculent towards our men. This action, at such a time, was, to say the least of it, foolhardy, and retribution descended swiftly upon him and his people. The soldiers surrounded the village and organised parties escorted the women and children to safety. The troops then entered the village, and after thrashing every man in it with their fists the soldiers burnt the houses to the ground. It is a pleasure to relate that after the "clean up" the guilty natives (three in number) confessed the crime and were later court-martialled and sentenced to death.

Driver Smith was one of men from the 11th LHR 20th Reinforcements studied in the learning assignment. Here are his details.

2445 Pte Edward Smith, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

You can look a bit deeper into their stories by looking at the activities of the 11th LHR when these men joined the unit.

Here are some items you that can access to read about the 11th LHR in the Jordan Valley.

11th LHR, AIF account about the 2nd Es Salt Raid - March to May 1918, Chapter XVI

11th LHR, AIF account about the Jordan Valley – May to August 1918, Chapter XVII

Now something to think about:

  • Did the participation of the Aboriginal men as servicemen during the Great War influence any change in the Australian treatment of the Aboriginal people in general?

 

Extension

When you recorded the location in Australia described as the address of the Next of Kin of the person you examined perhaps you could research some details about this location.

Perhaps you could research the full National Archives file of the person you studied. Extract more details that might be found on the Service Files.

You might research the service life of 2430 Pte John Johnston and produce a report.

 

Word bank

  • Indigenous
  • Aboriginal
  • Light Horse
  • AIF
  • Great War
  • “Not of substantially European descent”
  • Attestation Papers
  • reinforcement
  • half caste
  • dark
  • race
  • B103
  • Taken on Strength

 

Definitions

Aborigine:

1. An indigenous person who was born in a particular place;

2. A dark-skinned member of a race of people living in Australia when Europeans arrived; and,

3. Is a person of Aboriginal descent who identifies as an Aboriginal and is accepted as such by the community in which he (she) lives.

race

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.

2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

4. Humans considered as a group.

 

Web support

Index to Common B103 Terms

Aboriginal Servicemen

Pte Tom Cooper

2919 Pte Alfred John Henry Lovett

2430 Pte John Johnston, 11th LHR

Articles

Reveille Articles on Aboriginals in the AIF

11th LHR History

11th Light Horse War Diary Index for 1918 - 1919, Lesson 11 Resource.

11th LHR, AIF account about the 2nd Es Salt Raid - March to May 1918, Chapter XVI

11th LHR, AIF account about the Jordan Valley – May to August 1918, Chapter XVII

External Reference to Wikipedia:

Australian referendum, 1967 (Aboriginals)

 


Citation: Aboriginal Light Horsemen, Part 11, Students outline

Posted by Project Leader at 7:28 AM EAST
Updated: Sunday, 16 November 2008 11:06 AM EAST
9th LHR AIF War Diary, 13 November
Topic: AIF - 3B - 9 LHR

9th LHR, AIF

9th Light Horse Regiment

War Diary, 13 November

Pro Gloria et Honore - For Glory and Honour

Regimental March -  Marching Through Georgia

 

 

The following entries are extracted and transcribed from the 9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary, the originals of which are held by the Australian War Memorial. There are 366 entries on this site. Each day has entries as they occurred from 1914 to 1919. In addition to the 9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary, when appropriate, entries from the 3rd Light Horse Brigade War Diary and other regiments with the Brigade will also appear. Entries from the unit history, Darley, TH, With the Ninth Light Horse in the Great War, Adelaide, Hassell Press, 1924 will also appear from time to time. The aim is to give the broadest context to the story and allow the reader to follow the day to day activities of the regiment. If a relative happened to have served in the regiment during the Great War, then this provides a general framework in which the individual story may be told.

 

The Diary

 

1914

Friday, November 13, 1914

9th Light Horse Regiment Location -  Morphettville Race Course Camp and Broadmeadows Camp, Victoria. 

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - Formation of Regiment occurring at Morphettville Race Course Camp, Adelaide, while "C" Squadron is formed at Broadmeadows Camp, Victoria. Signalling instruction begins at Signalling School, Broadmeadows Camp.

See: Broadmeadows 1909

 

1915

Saturday, November 13, 1915

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Canterbury Slopes

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary -  No entry.

At 1.30pm, Lord Kitchener arrived by destroyer at Anzac Cove from Imbros, for an inspection of the Anzac lines. He and a party of senior Anzac officers climbed the road up to Walker's Ridge, where he went up into the trenches on Walker's Ridge, and out to the firing line as far as Bully Beef Sap, observed the Turkish lines across the Nek. After nearly two hours of observing some of the Anzac positions and meeting with most of the senior officers, he returned to Anzac Beach and left Gallipoli on board the destroyer at about 3.15pm.

 

1916

Monday, November 13, 1916

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Bir Etmaler

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - No entry


1917

Tuesday, November 13, 1917

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Summeil.

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - 0500 Night outpost lines closed up and day lines taken up 600 yards in advance of Summeil.

0800 10th Light Horse Regiment moved up in support putting on squadron in the line on right flank of 9th Light Horse Regiment. Lane, Lieutenant BGB, patrolled to Zeita reporting all clear. Enemy in Burkusieh very quiet. At 0900 on squadron enemy cavalry located by Brigade scouts in wadi near Diverin. At 1200 10th Light Horse Regiment withdrawn. 1500 two troops 8th Light Horse Regiment joined up in support. Our infantry and cavalry attacking on the left. At 2030 relieved by 10th Light Horse Regiment. 9th Light Horse Regiment withdrew to Ijseir rationed and concentrated where Ijseir - Summeil road crosses railway. Moved off at 2230 for one mile south east Tel et Tumus arriving there 0130, 14 November 1917 and bivouacked for remainder of night.

3rd Light Horse Brigade War Diary -

At 0645 13th November 1917, enemy were observed to be holding Burkusie ridge in strength, and small enemy parties were dribbling forward on to the low hills north east of Summeil. The Brigade held the line Arak el Menshiyeh - Summeil with 8th Light Horse Regiment on right sector and 9th Light Horse Regiment on left sector, and 10th Light Horse Regiment concentrated in neighbourhood of Brigade Headquarters. Four sub-sections of the 3rd Machine Gun Squadron were placed in support of the troops in the line, and the remainder in the vicinity of Brigade Headquarters. Notts Battery opened fire on to Burkusieh ridge, shelling the enemy with good effect. The continuation of the strong attack of the previous day was expected and the Brigade was in readiness. At 1300 the enemy were observed to be once again in retreat, The 3rd Light Horse Brigade were ordered to extend the line north east to Es Suafir esh Sherqiye and watch for enemy movements from the direction of Beit Jibrin and Zeita. The line held now by the Brigade was the right flank of the mounted force in pursuit. 4th Light Horse Brigade and 7th Mounted Brigade took up the attack on the enemy on the left, but owing to the exhausted condition of the men and horses the attack was abandoned.

At 1730 night outpost lines from Point 248 to Es Suafir esh Sherqiye was taken up and at 1800 Brigade Headquarters was established one mile south of Tel et Turmus. The line was lightly held, rest for as many troops as possible being aimed at. The night 13/14th November was quiet throughout.

 

1918

Wednesday, November 13, 1918

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Mejdelaya, Tripoli

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - Usual routine. Improving camp etc.

 

1919

Thursday, November 13, 1919

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Adelaide

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - Regiment disbanded.

 

 

Previous: 9th LHR AIF War Diary, 12 November

Next: 9th LHR AIF War Diary, 14 November

 

Sources:

See: 9th Australian Light Horse Regiment, Contents
Australian Light Horse Studies Centre, AIF War Diaries of the Great War, Site Transcription Policy

 

Further Reading:

9th Light Horse Regiment AIF

Bert Schramm Diary

9th Australian Light Horse Regiment, Roll of Honour 

Battles where Australians fought, 1899-1920

 
Citation: 9th LHR AIF War Diary, 13 November

Posted by Project Leader at 1:01 AM EAST
Updated: Saturday, 18 September 2010 4:20 PM EADT
Diaries of AIF Servicemen, Bert Schramm, 13 November 1918
Topic: Diary - Schramm

Diaries of AIF Servicemen

Bert Schramm

13 November 1918

 

Bert Schramm

 

2823 Private Herbert Leslie SCHRAMM, a 22 year old Farmer from Whites River, South Australia. He enlisted on 17 February 1916; and at the conclusion of the war Returned to Australia, 10 July 1919.

During part of the course of his military service with the AIF, Bert Schramm kept a diary of his life. Bert was not a man of letters so this diary was produced with great effort on his behalf. Bert made a promise to his sweetheart, Lucy Solley, that he would do so after he received the blank pocket notebook wherein these entries are found. As a Brigade Scout since September 1918, he took a lead part in the September Offensive by the Allied forces in Palestine. Bert's diary entries are placed alongside those of the 9th Light Horse Regiment to which he belonged and to the 3rd Light Horse Brigade to which the 9th LHR was attached. On this basis we can follow Bert in the context of his formation.

 

The Diaries

The complete diary is now available on the Australian Light Horse Studies Centre Site at:

Bert Schramm Diary


Finding more about a service person. See:

Navigating the National Archives Service File 

 

 

Bert Schramm's Handwritten Diary, 12 - 16 November 1918

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Bert Schramm

Wednesday, November 13, 1918

Bert Schramm's Location - Mejdelaya, Tripoli

Bert Schramm's Diary -  Still wet and cold and things are very miserable and the ground is very soggy and wet. No News through today. Wrote letters home today.

 

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary

9th Light Horse Regiment Location - Mejdelaya, Tripoli

9th Light Horse Regiment War Diary - Usual routine. Improving camp etc.

9th LHR AIF War Diary, 13 November

 

Darley

Darley, TH, With the Ninth Light Horse in the Great War, Adelaide, Hassell Press, 1924.

No Entry

 

 

Previous:  Bert Schramm's Diary, 12 November 1918

Next:  Bert Schramm's Diary, 14 November 1918


Sources Used:

Bert Schramm's Diary

National Archives Service File.

Embarkation Roll, AWM8.

Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour

Nominal Roll, AWM133, Nominal Roll of Australian Imperial Force who left Australia for service abroad, 1914-1918 War.

 

War Diaries and Letters

All War Diaries and letters cited on this site should be read in conjunction with the Australian Light Horse Studies Centre, War Diaries and Letters, Site Transcription Policy which may be accessed at:

Australian Light Horse Studies Centre, War Diaries and Letters, Site Transcription Policy 

 

Further Reading:

Bert Schramm Diary

Bert Schramm Diary, Album

Bert Schramm's Photo Album

9th Australian Light Horse Regiment, AIF

9th Australian Light Horse Regiment, War Diary, Day by Day Account

Battles where Australians fought, 1899-1920

 


Citation: Diaries of AIF Servicemen, Bert Schramm, 13 November 1918


Posted by Project Leader at 1:01 AM EAST
Updated: Sunday, 12 June 2011 11:08 AM EADT
Wednesday, 12 November 2008
2460 Pte John Hall, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource
Topic: AIF - Aboriginal LH

 

Education Centre

The Australian Light Horse Studies Centre in conjunction with the various Education authorities in Australia, has embarked upon producing a program of instruction targeted initially towards the Later Adolescence band of scholars, characteristically those who are studying in Year 9 and 10 within Australia. Each lesson will be a self contained module. Some will be more difficult than others and graded accordingly.

 

Lesson 11 Aboriginal Light Horsemen

Resource - Light Horseman Service Record - Essential Pages

2460 Pte John Hall,  11th Light Horse Regiment, 20th Reinforcement


2460 Pte John Hall, Attestation Paper, p. 1.

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The front cover of the Attestation Paper of Persons Enlisted for Service Abroad provides the reader with the following information:

  • Service Number,
  • Surname,
  • Given Names,
  • Age,
  • Employment,
  • Married or Single,
  • Next of Kin Relationship,
  • Next of Kin Name and Address,
  • Enlistment Date.

This information is vital as it identifies the specific soldier and in case of death or injury, allows the relatives to be informed. The next of kin was important for another reason. Each soldier was compelled to give an allotment of their daily wage to the person nominated as the next of kin. This was an essential financial consideration.

Once this information was gathered, the second page dealt with an oath to the King. The next page to give information was page 3.

 
2460 Pte John Hall, Attestation Paper, p. 3

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The third page of the Attestation Paper of Persons Enlisted for Service Abroad provides the reader with the following information:

  • Height,
  • Weight,
  • Chest Measurement
  • Complexion,
  • Eyes,
  • Hair, 
  • Religion.

The health of the potential soldier was important as the life was particularly strenuous. The ability to carry heavy weights for great distances was most important.

 


 


2460 Pte John Hall, Attestation Paper, p. 4

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Since 2460 Pte John Hall deserted, Page 1 of the Transferred to Australian Imperial Force D  was not utilised but instead page 4 of the Attestation Paper was used which provides the reader with the following information:

  • The last rank held in the AIF,
  • The date of Discharge,
  • The place where Discharged,
  • The eligible medals awarded to the serviceman.

Information on this form depends upon the individual. This particular form can at times run into many pages.

The police were employed in tracking down a deserter. Below is one such report.

 


 

 2460 Pte John Hall, Police Report

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This particular police report deals with the capture of 2460 Pte John Hall which led to his placement with the 11th Light Horse Regiment, 20th Reinforcements.

2460 Pte John Hall, a brief military biography from The AIF Project:

John HALL

Regimental number2460
ReligionChurch of England
OccupationFarmer
AddressPickenjinnie, Queensland
Marital statusSingle
Age at embarkation24
Next of kinFather, Alfred Henry Hall, Pickenjennie, Queensland
Enlistment date15 September 1916
Rank on enlistmentPrivate
Unit name11th Light Horse Regiment, 20th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number10/16/3
Embarkation detailsUnit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A38 Ulysses on 19 December 1917
FateNo details of fate entered on Nominal Roll

 

Additional Research:

To understand the terms employed in the B103, the  Casualty Form - Active Service, an index is available here:

Index to Common B103 Terms

For those interested in further study on this man, the following internet resources are available:

ADFA Summary - This is a cameo summary of his service record.

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=106590


National Archives - This is the complete service file of 2460 Pte John Hall

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3007659&I=1&SE=1

Australian War Memorial

The Australian War Memorial carries two biographical data bases - the Embarkation Roll and the Nominal Roll which was closed in August 1919.

Embarkation details:

http://www.awm.gov.au/nominalrolls/ww1/embarkation/person.asp?p=42569


Nominal Roll:

No entry




Further Reading:

Other Aboriginal Servicemen

Pte Tom Cooper

2919 Pte Alfred John Henry Lovett

2430 Pte John Johnston, 11th LHR

Listing of Aboriginal Servicemen Biographies on this site

Other related items 

Reveille Articles on Aboriginals in the AIF

11th Light Horse War Diary Index for 1918 - 1919, Lesson 11 Resource

11th LHR, AIF account about the 2nd Es Salt Raid - March to May 1918, Chapter XVI

11th LHR, AIF account about the Jordan Valley – May to August 1918, Chapter XVII

 


Citation: 2460 Pte John Hall, 11th LHR, Lesson 11 Resource

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Updated: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:26 PM EAST

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